Engineer shuts down rich developer’s attempt to make her break safety codes to save money, and her firm backs her up against him: ‘My entire job is to make sure buildings don’t fall down’

Some people hear seismic zone and think that just means shaking the piggy bank, not worrying about foundations, and a rich developer named Eric took this to Olympic levels by demanding a licensed engineer shave twenty percent off concrete slabs because his spreadsheet was allergic to decimals and his patience runs only as deep as the shallowest footing. Structural engineering has two rules: buildings stay up and lives stay uncrushed, but none of that fits a PowerPoint or pairs well with a Porsche, so the pitch meeting turned into a circus the moment a no stepped into the ring.

This is how money tries to bribe physics or at least see if it will fold under pressure. In any business where the stakes are invisible until they go horribly public, there is always a shortcut artist with grand designs and a tantrum ready to set to vibrate once someone says safety has a minimum thickness. The real test comes not with endless calculations or code books, but when the boss's ego collides with regulatory reality and tries to get a professional to sign off based on gut feelings and builder's folklore. 

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  • Rich developer demanded I break safety laws to save money — then tried to ruin me when I said no

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  • On a throwaway because I can't risk this being connected to me at work. I'm a 38(F)-year-old structural engineer.
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  • Promises of future business get traded for compliance like it is poker night with human lives as chips, and refusal earns a loyalty campaign of two-timing emails and whispered insults about stability that reveal how little anyone understands what it takes to keep upright under load, emotionally or architecturally. Thank the gods for good documentation and a firm that gets liability, because a short slab and a long email chain are how disasters start. 

  • I've been doing this for a decade, and my entire job is to make sure buildings don't fall down and kill people.
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  • That means following strict codes, running endless calculations, and refusing to cut corners. Safety comes first, always.
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  • Six months ago, I was leading the structural design for a 15-story office building in a seismic zone.
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  • The client (let's call him Eric) is a wealthy developer who made it clear from the beginning that he only cared about cutting costs. and speeding up construction.
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  • The breaking point came during a project meeting when he demanded we reduce the thickness of the foundation slabs by 20% to save time and money.
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  • As an already experienced Engineer I explained calmly, that doing so would violate code and put the building at serious risk if an earthquake hit.
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  • I even showed him the soil report and calculations backing it up. He looked at me like I was stupid, he lost it.
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  • He slammed the table, accused me of being overly dramatic because I'm a woman and said, Real engineers know how to bend the rules.
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  • When I told her I could lose my license if I signed off unsafe work, he laughed like...
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  • and said I was talking like a baby. I stood my ground. He kept yelling, saying I was costing him money, threatening to fire me and find someone else.
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  • It turned into a 45- minute shouting match. I was shaking by the end, but I refused to budge.
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  • After that, he started a smear campaign emailing my bosses, calling me unstable, even trying to pull strings with the city to claim our designs were over- engineered.
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  • But thank goodness, my firm backed me up and eventually dropped him as a client. His threats of a lawsuit went nowhere because we had airtight documentation.
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  • The emotional toll has been awful. Panic attacks, sleepless nights, constant second guessing. I've dedicated my career to protecting people, and one entitled guy with too much money almost made me walk away from it all.
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  • Such entitlement like this waste time and annoy people like me.. and I know it puts lives at risk.
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  • TL;DR: Rich developer demanded I ignore safety codes to save him money. I refused, he tried to ruin me, but my firm backed me up.
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  • Real engineering isn’t about being dramatic or following equations like a robot. It’s drawing a chalk line and refusing to let someone erase it because it isn’t cost-effective, and when the wealthy decide the law is optional, the only thing between a city and disaster is a professional with nerves that quake less than the earth beneath.

  • offeringathought Thank you for putting safety first.
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  • OP GleeFroth Thank you, that really means a lot. In the moment I honestly felt like I was the difficult one for not giving in, but deep down I knew if I signed off on it and something went wrong, people could di . Hearing someone say thank you helps me remember why I stood my ground.
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  • Aromatic-Solid4649 That developer sounds like an absolute piece of work. Good for you for standing your ground when you knew you were absolutely in the right. I'm sorry their aggression and harassment have led to you second guessing yourself, but from the sounds of it you really do know your stuff!!
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  • OP GleeFroth Verily! I still catch myself replaying the whole thing and wondering if I could have handled it differently, but hearing this helps. At the end of the day, I know the codes and calculations don't lie.. it just s ks when someone with money thinks they get to override all of that.
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  • DefinitionOk961 Imagine, having a meltdown that you won't bend and he calls YOU overly dramatic?!
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  • BubblyCrank Imagine being mad at someone for... checks notes... not wanting your building to collapse. Wild.
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  • Dangerous Dave303 If you're in the U.S., this account would be useful as an example of putting public welfare above the client's demands. The ASCE might like to use it.
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  • BubblyCrank "Knows your stuff" = literally keeping buildings from collapsing. The bar is on the floor and this guy still tripped over it.
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  • Wooden Fault7969 Good for standing your ground You earned your qualifications through education and experience and you are an expert structural engineer, he is not. He's an expert in cost cutting and maximising profit. Not the best combination
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  • SatoriNamast3 Thank god we have people like OP who do not compromise their integrity. I would check all of Eric's properties. If this is his approach to this one build, his whole portfolio should be looked at.
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  • DancesWithTrout I don't know a thing about engineering. But I do know a fair amount about risk analysis and mitigation and auditing. When you run into something like this, document EVERYTHING. Send your boss emails detailing what the client is doing. Write memos to the record doing the same. Send them to yourself, to your personal/home email account. When there's something dicey the clients wants and you're warned him, demand he put his requests in writing. Etc. 98+% of the time this is unnecess
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  • dhgaut You had a sh client who wanted to build another Champlain Tower South. I'm happy you stood your ground but your subsequent suffering is unfortunate. You may want to look into why you are feeling poorly about doing the right thing. The only emotional toll should be a steady high as you stopped a sh client from getting his way and killing people.
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